Bone Collector Trasnscript
Paul G Newton: 0:20
Humans collect all sorts of interesting things. Some love to decorate their houses and homes with dairy cows, green All of these things are considered normal and benign for the most part, and possibly diabolical and malignant, true crime authors and amateur SLCE That is only the few and not the majority of the reasons behind the Do they represent the obsession with death or could they be more This episode of things? I want to know. We delve deep into the world of the eccentric and the strange as we ask the Rocky, the Gotti is an artist writer and musician who, uh, comes originally from We were talking about that and she loves. Bones skulls and all things odd and grim. Since she was a kid walking around the historic cemeteries of new England, She's the black sheep of the family as she works in the medical field by day In fact, Rocky, you have a band playing behind you now, don't you.
Rocky: 2:26
I do I've I've been stuffing, uh, pillows into the red heat, the to muffle it because we had some sound issues on my end where I don't have my So yeah, we we're gonna get Seren needed whether we like it or not. That's alright, Amy. Thanks for
Paul G Newton: 2:47
having me. Yeah. Copyright free music is always invited whenever it comes to podcasting . Rocky: So
Andrea: 2:55
what do you do in the medical field? Uh, I am a retired, uh, New Jersey EMT. Oh, I live in now. I am from, uh, from originally from Rhode Island.
Rocky: 3:06
Uh, but I've been living in New Jersey for approximately 17 years. And I currently work, uh, for a very large health system in there information I work, I work within a very large framework of the I'm an analyst, uh, for an it now that's what you do in your back, gives out. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, um, I'm a nurse been a nurse since 2001,
Paul G Newton: 3:38
a registered nurse.
Andrea: 3:38
Yes. Registered nurse. And I kind of work on the subset of the IM department. So I kind of understand what you do. I do CDI clinical documentation. So I, I kind of understand it's what you do when you're wanting So I, I totally get it.
Rocky: 3:58
So, yeah. Well, if I told you that every day was an epic day for me,
Andrea: 4:03
of yes, totally. so I've got so many questions.
Paul G Newton: 4:09
She, she is, she is absolutely. Andrea is absolutely 100% enthused about talking to you about what
Andrea: 4:22
I'm so curious.
Rocky: 4:24
I'm well start lady. Let's go.
Andrea: 4:27
hence the things I wanna know. So, um, I guess what I wanna ask. how do you acquire body parts legally?
Rocky: 4:38
Well, first of all, it's, it's kind of a misconception that It is perfectly legal in 47 out of 50 states to trade in bones. It is legal within the state only in two other states, and it is only illegal to Can you guess the one state in the entire 50 United States,
Paul G Newton: 5:08
New York,
Rocky: 5:09
even ER,
Paul G Newton: 5:11
New York?
Rocky: 5:12
No,
Andrea: 5:13
California,
Rocky: 5:15
no.
Paul G Newton: 5:15
Louisiana.
Andrea: 5:17
Is it so there? , Rocky: Yeah,
Paul G Newton: 5:19
Louisiana,
Andrea: 5:19
Louisiana, Louisiana. Okay. Cause I was looking at your website and it said in there that, you know,
Rocky: 5:30
Louisiana, Georgia and Tennessee, um, Louisiana is
Paul G Newton: 5:36
weird. Cause they have a lot of macabre stuff down in new Orleans.
Andrea: 5:40
Exactly. New Orleans, like the capital city of macabre
Rocky: 5:44
right. Well, you know, I think that, and, and this is in no way, any, any, any type
Paul G Newton: 5:57
Yeah.
Andrea: 5:58
Oh, okay.
Paul G Newton: 5:59
Well you can't bury anybody in south Louisiana because the water So you have to put 'em in little mausoleums on the top and it makes
Rocky: 6:13
Well, actually, interestingly enough, um, I've, I've also been in No, I've never not once I have an extreme reverence for I, I do not. Pasco do not collect anything. I leave it as it was. And I make sure there's no trash in it other than that. But you know, you don't, um, I don't believe in any type of desecration. I'm not a criminal. just so you know, I's get that right out in the open. I don't do anything illegal. Um, but in Louisiana they actually had a case, um, and folks can, Okay. And actually you'll love this. It was, it was around about, uh, 20 15, 20 16. They were calling this Bo Gazi, Bo Gazi, Bo Gazi, ER, darling, darling, Take bones from the cemetery. Now, actually those Malia that are above ground in 99.9, 9% of those deep water And, and I realize that's a little, a little callous, but right. Basically they look like pizza ovens. So I, I, I went on a great haunted history tour in new Orleans. The haunted history tour, people explained this to me. And what happened was when you die. And there was a wonderful tour guy who since passed his name as It goes into the tomb SWA. He says, and he is in there for 366 days. And what happens is because of the climate and the fact that it's pretty Yeah. There's a space in the back of the, of leave of the vault. That's called the Kevo, which is, uh, from the French for cave. And when that 366 day comes, they open that front panel and they get a broom and That's how I, cuz I was walking through, uh, say Louis gets
Paul G Newton: 8:31
it gets that hot inside there that basically all organic
Rocky: 8:39
Correct? If you've been to Louisiana.
Paul G Newton: 8:42
Yeah.
Rocky: 8:42
Anytime after. Say, I don't know June and before November, October, you'll beleive it.
Paul G Newton: 8:51
Oh yeah. Well, we're in Northwest Arkansas and I've got a lot of folks in my family Yeah.
Rocky: 9:05
You're related to Dr. John,
Paul G Newton: 9:07
Dr. John, John Rabaneck
Rocky: 9:10
yeah. Matt
Paul G Newton: 9:11
Raach Matt RA. No, I don't. I don't. I'm not related to that person. No.
Rocky: 9:15
Dr. John, the real, the old musician.
Paul G Newton: 9:18
No, no.
Rocky: 9:18
Anyway, so when you, so they, so they're able to,
Paul G Newton: 9:21
we're not that good. We're just kinda lame. . Rocky: So when I first went to new Orleans I would look at these vaults and I'm thinking they're like mosoleum vaults, But if you go up to the actual vault and look at the plaque, you might see It has all these multiple names on it. And I was thinking, I don't know, how are they gonna cram all those people in there? and that's what I learned on the tour is that they, they, there's And apparently if accidentally like someone from the family right after You can rent a vault for that year. And then they remove the ashes and put 'em in your family vault Wow. I didn't know that. So,
Andrea: 10:19
but it takes an extreme amount of heat
Paul G Newton: 10:24
cremate a body, but at 1400 degrees, 1700 degrees over a two hour period. Sure. Two hours,
Rocky: 10:31
but no, it's it's during a
Paul G Newton: 10:32
day. Yeah. But these people are in there for a year at this extreme heat
Rocky: 10:37
in day. Yeah.
Paul G Newton: 10:39
So it never stops.
Andrea: 10:41
So
Rocky: 10:42
thats the crematory process it's, it's very cool. I, I was fascinated by, by that whole scenario, because it was certainly, you Yeah. And, but also in new Orleans, which is where this, this story fits in is there's H O L T. Yeah. And the pictures are very dramatic. It's a, it's a, what I, we always call the potters field. It is a cemetery that is inexpensive and is typically used for the Uh, vault, if you're, anybody's a blues or a jazz fan, uh, buddy Uh, the, the old horn player. Yeah. So Holt cemetery does bury underground. They have to truck in dirt because as you correctly noted,
Paul G Newton: 11:37
Yeah.
Rocky: 11:37
And anytime there's a storm, and I don't wanna tell you what happened
Paul G Newton: 11:41
oh. Katrina, that people were floating everywhere. It was bad.
Rocky: 11:44
Exactly.
Andrea: 11:45
thats aweful Yeah. So this, this, this Ender darling person, uh, when they went into holt cemetery, you may, if they haven't got the dirt in yet that you may somehow be able to Now, the thing is, is this, in my opinion falls under, just because When we talk about my jewelry later,
Paul G Newton: 12:20
just cause you can doesn't mean you should.
Andrea: 12:21
Well
Paul G Newton: 12:22
that's I had, you know, I had many, many girlfriends tell
Andrea: 12:29
Well, I guess that leads us least to my next question,
Rocky: 12:34
Well, there's, there's a lot of different ways. The, the ones that I, and I, I speak only for myself, um, when, uh, people donate their bodies to science. When the skeletons go into classrooms and, and teaching places, um, they eventually it is legal to buy and sell, and there is a market go out into theological They're, they're not difficult to obtain if you do not live in And by the way, Georgia and Tennessee, their gig is a little bit lighter. You can own and buy and sell bones. You just can't have them cross state lines. So if you wanna buy a human skull in the state of Georgia, you're welcome to you. Just have to find it in Georgia. And if you ever move from Georgia, you can't take it with you.
Andrea: 13:28
So I guess my next
Paul G Newton: 13:29
that's weird.
Andrea: 13:30
My next question is to say like, I wanna donate my body And I tell my peop my friends and my family donate my body to science. Once you do that, You're pretty much just whatever they wanna do when they're done
Rocky: 13:51
that goes into a deeper, a deeper section of it where They may not have a specificity for a, a when you're done. I don't think it's like a, when you're done rental thing, like I I've offered, And then when it's done, you just, yeah. I think it's kind of like an all or not thing.
Paul G Newton: 14:14
It's kind of how I look at life. You can use me and when you're done, it's like, okay,
Andrea: 14:18
well, you know, it's like, I wouldn't mind donating my body to science. Maybe one of these days, this is just hypothetical. And like, knowing that medical students can do whatever, but I don't know if I Can you specify that?
Rocky: 14:34
Well, I, I, I, this is the way I look at it. I have. I have a, of the, like I said, the opportunity to obtain the bones, but, I think it's beautiful that the people that, that my clients may not be Most of my clients are actually medical and academics.
Andrea: 14:58
That's hilarious, but I can understand that too.
Rocky: 15:00
Well, what do you get the ortho that has everything, you know,
Andrea: 15:03
Yeah, exactly.
Paul G Newton: 15:04
Yeah. I don't need those. I have everything and I don't, I it's. It's nice. You can have them if you want, but I don't need that for Christmas or birthdays or
Andrea: 15:14
you don't want patella for Christmas?
Paul G Newton: 15:15
No, no, I
Andrea: 15:16
okay.
Paul G Newton: 15:17
A coccyx I don't need one. I have, I have my own coccyx. Thank you.
Rocky: 15:24
Well, you know, , I,
Paul G Newton: 15:26
I just, I'm just screwing around. I'm just.
Rocky: 15:29
Well, here's the thing, you know, if you change your mind, I, I . Paul G Newton: wa wa so I, I believe they've been all or not. I would have to reread it. And, uh, I read it like about, I think about eight or nine years ago, but And it's about what happens when people donate their bodies to science.
Paul G Newton: 16:01
See, I think it should be okay if you wanna, if you, it, I think You should, you could like sell it beforehand if you want I don't think we should just be grabbing people that have died and donated And then now we've got 'em as jewelry. I, I understand. It's okay. And I'm okay with it. I really am. I'm just thinking about,
Rocky: 16:32
no, I understand that you're not, not being inflammatory. I got that.
Paul G Newton: 16:35
Yeah. I I'm just thinking that it, this person should, even though they're It belongs to them. And just because you know, your distant second cousin is the only family you know, they shouldn't be able to make 10 grand off your corpse or If that's not what you want. I used to, I, I, I worry that people are hanging on the wall. That if you asked 'em when they're alive, they'd be like, Nope, I don't want that. You know?
Rocky: 17:05
Well, you know, one can that's, that's an excellent point. It wouldn't really be that your asshole cousin sold you. out, out. And all, a lot of this is, um, for whatever reason and, and many, many of But a lot of it is that. And that, again, I'm not from part of the initial purchase.
Paul G Newton: 17:29
Yeah.
Rocky: 17:29
Or I'm not part of the initial transaction. I'm part of the transaction with these are being cast off. So I can't speak as to the process of how they become cast off, because I'm I'm, I'm part of the, the part where I'm a collector. I can legally obtain them. And to me they're beautiful.
Paul G Newton: 17:48
Oh, well, no, no doubt. The well, right.
Rocky: 17:52
And it's, you know, no accounting today. See the
Paul G Newton: 17:55
well, and you know, everybody likes something different. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with it. As long as it's not nefarious.
Rocky: 18:03
Oh, God. No. Yes. I, I don't go for that. Like people have asked me and when I, I do, um, ed geen and his
Paul G Newton: 18:10
lampshades, you know what I'm saying?
Andrea: 18:11
Oh god.
Paul G Newton: 18:14
well?
Andrea: 18:15
So how do you obtain these parts? I mean, is it like, do you have like certain places you go,
Paul G Newton: 18:21
you don't have to give any secrets up.
Andrea: 18:22
We're just, no, no, no. I'm just curious.
Rocky: 18:24
It's like secret. I have a receipt for every single bone I've ever seen. I would wanna have a DNA profile tied to a non murder case.
Andrea: 18:32
I mean, do you like go on the internet? I mean, how do you, how do you,
Rocky: 18:36
there are places that sell to museums, yes.
Andrea: 18:39
Oh, ok
Rocky: 18:39
there are places that sell legitimately sell and Cannot ship the Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee. You know, they have, there are places that are sell to museums They sell teaching models, they sell all of this stuff.
Andrea: 18:59
Wow. So if I wanna become a body to science, I need to like specify what If not, I could be sold to a museum or
Rocky: 19:09
you could be,
Andrea: 19:10
or I don't know if someone's necklace. I mean, it's, it's very interesting.
Rocky: 19:14
You could also a crash test stomach. You could also you're all of your could end up definitely I, I, I guarantee he'll be entertained by it and it'll, it's very illuminating You could be, you could be buried on a cadaver farm Cuz he is learning how to, how to find people
Paul G Newton: 19:34
see, i'd be okay with that, because that helps find murderers. And I'm good with that. So that would be one case I would be like, okay, I can do that.
Andrea: 19:43
I agree. But religiously I can't. So
Paul G Newton: 19:47
yeah, but it's it was, I don't know,
Andrea: 19:50
but it's helping. Uh you're I guess I could say like that situation you're. Sort of
Paul G Newton: 19:56
yeah.
Andrea: 19:56
Helping mankind and helping something better than
Paul G Newton: 20:01
Plus it could that plus they let you rot there the whole time. I mean, they may collect the bones, but you're not gonna get cremated.
Andrea: 20:10
True.
Rocky: 20:10
You know, everybody's got that, like there are different, you And usually I always would say, if you have concerns about any kind So I've not, I'm not, I've gotta, like my mom go for Vatican too. Was afraid of cremation
Paul G Newton: 20:33
yeah. We're not, she's, she's Jewish, I'm Luther, uh, conservative Lutheran,
Andrea: 20:41
Correct.
Rocky: 20:43
So, you know, that's definitely. You would have to, like I said, hand hammer out that out with, you Me personally, if there's anything left, , everything is welcome to it. And for my own personal,
Paul G Newton: 21:01
you could set that up before you die, that a buddy of yours You could just be like pointing at people and say, yeah, your
Rocky: 21:18
right. Yeah. You gotta pull, what was, you gotta pull a John Barmore with me. did you ever hear that story?
Paul G Newton: 21:24
The Tony alamo story too. What? What's the, tell us the berrymore story
Rocky: 21:29
John barrymore got got, uh, pilfered uh, after he was prepped I think, you know, the crowd we're talking, we're talking flyn that crew so well,
Paul G Newton: 21:49
Tony almo did just, he did something similar he's from down here. He was a religious cult guy and he embalmed his wife when You had to see her whenever you went to church,
Andrea: 22:06
man. Ouch.
Rocky: 22:07
Wow.
Paul G Newton: 22:08
Yeah. And there was like that can't be legal, but it, at the time it was, then.
Andrea: 22:16
So I guess
Rocky: 22:16
I can believe
Andrea: 22:18
my next question is, is how do you obtain these parts? I mean, do you sit into the us postal service or do you like,
Rocky: 22:25
I order them just like, I, you know what I think. If you were to, and again, this is not a secret. If you were to go online right now, go to amazon.com and put See what comes up.
Andrea: 22:41
Okay. That's slightly,
Rocky: 22:43
that's a dare live dare
Andrea: 22:45
okay. Okay. I'm gonna do it.
Paul G Newton: 22:47
So the question that I, the question that I have though, there was a
Andrea: 22:54
Yes.
Paul G Newton: 22:56
He got arrested for receiving body parts. So why did he get in trouble?
Rocky: 23:04
I don't know the specific case you are speaking of, but I can tell There are some, some very, uh, in interesting specifics to the include, we're talking about either when they talk about trade in, That's either bone or it's what they'll call a wet specimen.
Paul G Newton: 23:29
Yeah.
Rocky: 23:30
And of course a wet specimen isn't anything packed, informal Yeah. Yeah. Whatever you can't cut off your own toe and sell it to somebody
Paul G Newton: 23:43
you can't sell body parts. Yeah. When you're alive, that's for sure. Cuz it's that's that's illegal
Rocky: 23:47
what they, what they would deem viable tissue.
Andrea: 23:51
Yeah.
Paul G Newton: 23:51
Okay.
Rocky: 23:52
So, so I don't know the particulars of that case, but if that sounds because owning, buying and selling the human remains and you can bring them across So that may have been a viability thing. I'm not, I don't know the date.
Paul G Newton: 24:13
I, I, the case was this guy, Jeremy Paulie and what he did is
Andrea: 24:28
which is our medical school
Paul G Newton: 24:29
medical school.
Rocky: 24:31
Right.
Paul G Newton: 24:31
And she stole wet body parts and mailed it to him in a five gallon bucket.
Rocky: 24:42
That's a problem cause he's receiving stolen goods and In my opinion,
Paul G Newton: 24:48
I, we can't find that she's been charged with anything.
Rocky: 24:53
Well, I, I followed up with Ender darling who had, who was actually, was kind of crazy Uhhuh it turns out she ended up serving, um, probably Actually in the jail and got a five year suspended sentence and they reinterred
Paul G Newton: 25:19
She was, she was stealing from graves though.
Rocky: 25:21
Right? Exactly. Well, the thing is, is how is that any different, if you are illegally taking Yes. There's the extra heinous, uh, concept of quote unquote disturbing someone's rest. But in all cases that's illegal. It's wrong. I don't do it. I don't wanna deal with anybody who dos it does it, which is why
Paul G Newton: 25:46
Right, right, right. We were that's, it's just piqued our interests. Like what the heck is going on? We don't understand this. And we were like, we're trying to think of, well, how would you go about it? What would you do? What what's what's the most popular?
Andrea: 25:59
Yes. What's the most popular body part
Rocky: 26:02
for me. Cervical vertabre.
Andrea: 26:03
Really
Paul G Newton: 26:04
cervical. Vertebrae.
Andrea: 26:06
Okay.
Rocky: 26:07
They have a unique shape. They do have, they do, uh, an area. If you've seen the pictures on my website. Um, you can see that, uh, I don't know if you, you want me to say
Paul G Newton: 26:18
no. Oh yeah, no, it's fine. Absolutely.
Rocky: 26:20
www.darkerartsstudio.com darker arts studio. So the yeses are, are coupled together darker arts and studio with an S as well. Um, and, and cervical vertebrae lend themselves to being Bejo with a Cub show. I have, uh, one of the big pictures and one of the signature pieces has Um, and they, they tend to lend themselves because they, I think And everybody always says, oh, my back stinks. So, you know, I need one of these, I need an extra one and they make a They always sell up first. Wow. Okay. So I went on Amazon Uhhuh and real human foot bones, proximal, natural bone, $25. And, and that's on Amazon. Yes.
Andrea: 27:19
Real human fibula, natural bone, $69. Real human rib, natural bone, 40 bucks. So I could literally go on there right now and order a rib bone for $40. I it's, that, that blows my mind. It does it totally. 100% blows my mind. Amazon and I.
Rocky: 27:40
A company, the company is on Amazon, but chances That is, that is the seller is likely a company that I may or may not deal with. I don't know who, who the seller is on Amazon, but I know they're on there. It
Andrea: 27:53
just can't. I can't
Rocky: 27:54
remember blows my mind. Yeah. But
Paul G Newton: 27:57
you also, yeah. You also have a macab, uh, world podcast as well. We wanna make sure. Yes, indeed. Everybody knows about this macab world, the darker arts radio hour. Yes. Very nice. So we check those guys out too. That's awesome.
Rocky: 28:14
Looks
Andrea: 28:14
like it's his skulls unlimited international.
Rocky: 28:19
Yep. That is one of the companies and they have their own website on the web as well. Whoa,
Andrea: 28:24
I interesting. Amazon literally sells everyth. No joke. They literally
Rocky: 28:28
sell everything. I mean, who
Andrea: 28:30
would've thought to Google? I mean, or not Google, but like go on Amazon and literally go human body parts.
Paul G Newton: 28:38
I don't know. It's I get it. And it's okay. You don't have a problem with it. I don't either, but I'm
Rocky: 28:42
like totally
Andrea: 28:42
mind
Rocky: 28:43
blown. Oh,
Paul G Newton: 28:44
what the heck, man. That's all right.
Rocky: 28:46
I hate to removed all expectation of, of bizarre, creepy,
Andrea: 28:57
And it also says that for domestic tax goals,
Rocky: 28:59
kitten. Oh yeah. You know, I mean, you know, you and I both, you could buy on a . You
Paul G Newton: 29:07
can, you can pay it off monthly.
Rocky: 29:09
Yes. sorry. You know,
Andrea: 29:11
I'm just totally mind blown by that $54. You could buy it with a firm for $13 and 50 cents every two weeks.
Rocky: 29:20
there you go. So mind blown. Ethically sourced, retired medical specimens from either theological There are also people who are quote unquote bone brokers, which is, I kind profit as far as like I'm not looking to pick up a skull for X amount and then, I'm not a reseller that way. I'm a creator and I'll sell the creation, but I'm not a reseller, but Right. And they, and, and what happens is collectors decrease their One of the craziest things and I, I don't know how active they I don't know if you have odd fellows falls. The odd fellows is a fraternal organization that, that is up here. You'll see the occasional, uh, order of odd fellows, the benevolent Oh, I see. Yeah. The odd, yeah, the odd fellows. Um, for the longest time, most of your odd fellows falls had a full human Now I don't know how they got around how they, how they got the obtain find a skeleton in a coffin, in an odd fellows hall, because for whatever their I don't know the full, but if you were actually Google, I fellows skeleton, Sometimes people find them, people buy them and some of them still Attached or go with, and those are huge
Paul G Newton: 31:12
collectibles. Wow. There is. I'm looking here, they've got 'em all in coffins.
Rocky: 31:15
And so, you know, we're, we're out there. There's a lot of us legal weirdos and, and we're all talking about bones, we're Me personally. I, I, I like, I like finger bones. I like foot bones. I love carpals and metacarpals. And I really like vertebrae. My vertebrae don't care for me. That's how you end up getting into it. the see an ambulance, but, um, you know, it's, I guess you could
Andrea: 31:53
and you only really sell bones. Do you sell anything else? Like human organs or anything?
Rocky: 32:01
I don't. I do not. That's I know
Paul G Newton: 32:03
what I didn't understand about the Jeremy Polly guy. He bought hearts and stomachs in vertebrae and, and, and, and he bought, I was like, what?
Rocky: 32:19
Well, there are, there are collectors who, like I said, It's not something that appeals to me. Yeah. But there are collectors that seem to obtain, um, a lot of these things There are humans books bound in human skin. The do is search, like some of the, some of the oddity collectors pages on like And you'll see stuff like that. I'm really like the mild child of all of this because , you
Paul G Newton: 32:55
know, I dunno. It's just like, sometimes it just how, I guess it's okay. If the person that donated the skin said, yeah, go ahead. Um, So,
Rocky: 33:06
well, there's a thing now. And I read an article on a little while back where some people are adding details Particularly meaningful to have that section of skin cut out, Or so I've heard
Andrea: 33:29
that I've heard that. And I was kinda, I mean, I have a tattoo at my shoulder, but I'm like,
Paul G Newton: 33:38
up on the wall. I can, I can't. No, it's not.
Rocky: 33:40
I can't, but
Andrea: 33:41
I've heard of that. And my thought process is okay. Like I understand the bone thing might be kinda interesting, but what are you
Rocky: 33:52
or it's again, if it's not preserved in formal and, and Yeah. Makes. I mean, it makes sense.
Paul G Newton: 34:02
One of the things that I was really worried about, and I don't know with a reputable, reputable company that has a history, the one thing that I was Um, let's say you get 'em from someone who's, you know, just Uh, and, but that's, how do you know that's not someone he
Rocky: 34:33
murder. I, I can't imagine, um, knowing anyone who cause no one I know would, would, No one I've ever done business with. And again, I tend to do business with, I, I do business exclusively And educational. Yeah. Just
Paul G Newton: 34:54
make sure they're so make sure they're reputable and licensed
Rocky: 34:59
yesterday.
Andrea: 35:00
Makes sense. I mean, absolutely. You know, because you know, the reputable, they got the correct Cause I mean, I can only imagine, like you purchased, say of a femur or, or I mean, I would be horrified.
Rocky: 35:20
Well, that that's, that, that simply isn't the case for any of, I
Paul G Newton: 35:26
Yeah. Yeah. That's why we were talking to you because you're, you know, you're reputable. You're not out there trying to steal stuff, so
Rocky: 35:31
God, no, cause so I'm like, I, I did. Very interesting. I had a client at a, at a convention. I do the horrors. Oh, okay. And, and the reaction by the way from horror fans is, is really funny. But, um, and I had one lady said, you know, I had, and she was an older lady. She was there with, with, with I think the grands. And she said, you know, I have diabetes really bad and I'm gonna lose my toe. If they cut it off, can you make a necklace out of it? I'm just sort of looking at why not, I guess. And I, I guess, why not? It's your toe. Yeah. I, I can't help you. I, I can pretty much guarantee they're not gonna let you keep it. No, that's just not how this they should. Won't you keep
Paul G Newton: 36:15
it. If it's, if you're going in and you have to have your foot lopped. And you want to keep it. They could, you know, there you, they should make you remove the de the compos I mean, that's fair. It's your's your foot.
Andrea: 36:34
Well, it's not like you go into surgery and anything that is removed from It's not like they ask you at the bottom of the questionnaire. Would you like
Rocky: 36:42
to keep it? , you know, I wanted my consoles in the worst way, but, you know, yeah.
Paul G Newton: 36:48
That'd be interesting. I mean, in there as long as they're yours, I, okay. That's cool. I
Rocky: 36:52
mean, that doesn't really work quite that way. And I, I gotta say of all the other things that have since been removed. I'm a, I'm a, uh, I'm a very fair, uh, red haired person. So there's been lots of little bits and bobs that get cut out. And let me tell you, I don't want any of it back. I just tell everyone I'm losing weight. Like, you know, one, one biopsy at a time, say one at a time. So I gotta . Andrea: Okay. So I got a question. Say you wanna mail some, I don't know some fingers or PHS or whatever, just Do you go to the post office and, and put 'em in a box and do you have to declare
Andrea: 37:31
it? Do you have to fill out a certain form? I mean, how does that work? Because I honestly you fill out what on the post.
Rocky: 37:39
Okay. Go ahead for international. But the, the, like, if I order from someplace again, I'm not talking Yeah, exactly. Okay. And I don't, I personally don't trade internationally. um, but some, some may I do not. So I only deal with 47 states. Okay. And my suppliers are, are, are legal, established businesses. And then I, I go to, I do not have to warn someone that in the box is human bulk. I have to pack it carefully. Of course. And, and I, and all that good stuff I don't want when I order, you know, it comes to me, it says, you know, the, the name of the bone place I've Was it the skull unlimited? Yes. I've ordered from them before I have. And, and, you know, and I have, they, they give a receipt. Um, so you know, it doesn't have to say a caution human remains. Okay. Okay. In that case now do do some people illegally get bones in and out
Paul G Newton: 38:57
Yeah, no, no. We're not saying you
Rocky: 38:59
are. Of course. I realize that, that, you know, you could probably kind of like If, if you got to know me, I'm not really a rule breaker,
Paul G Newton: 39:10
it? No, it's not worth it. It doesn't, it's not that big, you know, you could do
Rocky: 39:16
guess and, and not, oh, go ahead. The only
Andrea: 39:18
reason why I ask is because my only experience with just be personal and I get all this paperwork and all this stuff to hand to TSA and they make And they hand the box to me. And I guess I kept thinking, is this the same process for the Cuz they sure made it seem like it was a big to do that. I put these ashes on a plane cuz they handed them to me and they said, I'm
Rocky: 39:53
like, okay, how people get creepy if they that's. Why, why they don't say attention, there's human bones in this box. Um,
Andrea: 39:59
but it made me think like the postal service is just like, He's gonna mail, I'm gonna order me some femur and they're coming to me postal service and it's not labeled on the front, I guess that was kind
Paul G Newton: 40:20
be a limit. I mean, if you're mailing a bucket full of, you know, gizzards, like you probably
Rocky: 40:28
or something. I mean I'm really
Andrea: 40:30
tempted to order some of these like rib bones off
Rocky: 40:36
A mobile at that's
Andrea: 40:37
lovely. It's not like mind blown. It's like you could literally order
Rocky: 40:40
anything. There, there are people who specialize in, in scrimshaw, um, Oh yeah. Um, you know, there there's, there's, there's there's There are, there are people who have, like I said, uh, most of the things that Really? That, that I'm aware of. Yeah. It's it's for them to be legit. They're basically, um, 14 hundreds, 15, 1600. Yeah. And, and, and sometimes they go into collectors in museums, trade, you I'm totally okay. it's okay. I'm like, you know, really, I always thought bones were beautiful, but, but my, I was a horrifically bullied kid. I was fat smart, and I had red hair. That's like a trifecta of bully and where I grew up, we have all these very My town was settled in 1680. So, uh, my hometown and, uh, you know, I would be bullied and then the bullies So I just kind of like ran blindly in there, just cause, you know, sanctuary. Right. And the thing was that they'd stay at the gate. So I'd end up trapped in there for hours sometimes. Well until they forward. And so I started walking around and when you look at, um, old new And, and I would start getting curious. Now I knew the names of like the schools and whatnot in my hometown. And a lot of those names are town, founder kind of people. So I'd say, huh? Oh, Bradford like Bradford street or, oh, uh, oh, okay. Reynolds like Reynolds school. Yeah. So I started getting curious about that. And my dad, my late father was, uh, was a teacher. So when I come home and I started asking questions about who's this guy He was like, all right, well, look it up. So by the, I'm still in saving single digits and I'm wearing white gloves Book that basically smells like sweat socks. trying to check out, you know, the cause of death and how did this baby die? So early cuz I was a little kid. I thought it was creepy when I, you know, I didn't understand. So I started getting fascinated by it and I, I loved the artwork, You've seen a lot of those classic, um, you know, new England motif. Yeah, yeah. Halloween. So all of that became a fascination. I became a volunteer. You could probably smell that one coming and ended up working very actively in, in
Paul G Newton: 43:53
Yeah. See, that's something that people here in the south,
Andrea: 43:57
we just don't have a whole lot of, I
Rocky: 43:58
mean,
Paul G Newton: 43:59
well we have really nice cemeteries and we have some It's just not a thing here in Northwest Arkansas where we're at. To really preserve these cemeteries and, and make sure that things are done right. There are cemeteries out in the woods out here that are just going away and they're Cuz we grow rocks in Arkansas. That's literally our, our Northwest Arkansas state crop is rocks. They, they come up out of the ground like Magna, magma, but so mag. Yeah, we, we, so this, it, it, our ground grows. It's interesting. It gets thicker and thicker every year. And eventually if you put something in there, it goes away and that's, They try to take care of it, but it's just not an interest anymore, I guess. And well, it's kind of unfortunate that, you know, new England has such Oh, I see.
Rocky: 45:01
Only on the fact that I don't think it's richer, it's different, but It's if someone had a cemetery in their, in their local vicinity and they groups that I've dealt with, you know, in all kinds of, uh, areas in, in areas Your rotary can want us to say folks, a lot of your civic groups. Yeah. Um, are looking to, to help the boy and girl Scouts of America Hmm. And well, the boy Scouts and the girl scout, they have a cemetery badge. Oh, okay. And especially if you get, uh, some folks that are going for the Yeah. The Eagles and whatnot, you're gonna get some, some folks that are, that are, that They have a lot of dedication and a lot of hearts. So if you are in a community and you have a cemetery, that's feeling, and your scouting organizations, you might be able to get a posse together Little bit deterioration. You try to keep
Paul G Newton: 46:18
up. I, there you, they literally, some of these places, the headset zones look They're not the ground is growing up around them. Well,
Rocky: 46:29
the one that is
Andrea: 46:30
right, the, my family is buried in part of my family is it's. Oh, it's old. I mean, there are, um, gosh, there's some people in there that come for
Paul G Newton: 46:42
Well, the battle of P Ridge, your family
Rocky: 46:46
Right. So,
Andrea: 46:46
right. And it's interesting because a lot of my mothers, I guess you could There were rocks that they would put for headstones. So it's a lot of cool history here, but a lot of the local people in
Rocky: 47:05
Because it's old. Well,
Paul G Newton: 47:07
we've got a black cemetery in Lincoln, Arkansas. That's just right on the, it used to be on the outskirts of town. Now the town borders have changed and, uh, new Mason Dixon And, uh, you know, the Lincoln Arkansas was on the side of the north and And so they couldn't bury black men or women or children So they have a black cemetery in Lincoln because they're like, yeah, that's fine. Whatever. So, yeah, we've got some really interesting cemeteries
Rocky: 47:46
keep up. Oh, absolutely. And, and there's like the sons of Confederate veterans I know is a, And, and those are folks that are into preserving history and, and I'm sure there's, there's a number of, uh, it's funny. I, I, I'm envious listening to, to all of the, my family was here at this, my The people that came here from another country and my my, my family's very, very new. I was, I, I am born and raised in the good old us of a, uh, but Oh, okay. And my mom's family's from Portugal, Portugal, all rights. If anybody is ever been in the service and had to fuel up a plane in the middle
Paul G Newton: 48:41
Yeah. Andrew and I, um, we have different family lineages. If that's a word. Uh, but 1640s was the first recorded time that my ancestors showed up in America. When was yours? You do a lot more of that, an, uh, uh, stuff than I do.
Andrea: 48:58
Um, one of my ancestors at my mother's side came over I think it's Pennsylvania, Virginia area. It's I think it's absorbed into another town, but one of So I have German roots. Yeah. And, um, Jewish
Rocky: 49:16
roots and
Paul G Newton: 49:17
there's Newton, Iowa, Newton, everything. Anything, anytime you see a Newton that's unfortunately my lineage is they
Rocky: 49:29
partial to the fig
Paul G Newton: 49:31
the big fig. Thank you very much. The big
Rocky: 49:33
fig, the fig Newton. lovely, lovely pastries. Very much. . Andrea: So what got you involved in all this? Well, I, I really do think it started from. that, that weird yet. And some feel it's like kinda, everybody says you're gonna I'm like, but that's how it happens.
Paul G Newton: 49:53
But that's how it
Rocky: 49:54
happened. That's so there you're, that's how it happened. Um, I, I just, and that got me into cemeteries and that got I don't, it's funny when I meet quote unquote, go that I'm doing air Yeah.
Paul G Newton: 50:18
Normal.
Rocky: 50:19
You not the go. Yeah. You know, normal,
Paul G Newton: 50:21
you know, I found there was a TV show. Um, someone NA it was a, it was a woman, uh, coroner or medical examiner One day, he decided he was going to really dig into it. And I know most of my friends would be like that guy, because as soon as he And so, you know, it's, it's not for everybody. Some people just enjoy, you know, having the pretenses, I suppose.
Rocky: 51:06
Well, and I'm sure I'm sure, you know, you'll back me up on this, Sandy. I think, um, That you know, you ever, you ever made something? I could be any empty. I could be an or nurse. I could do that. You know why? Cause you know, I, I can watch horror movies and all that stuff grosses me out. Yeah. Movies. Don't that's movies do not smell . Yeah. So
Paul G Newton: 51:32
can you, do you, would you like to share with her your
Rocky: 51:39
as the,
Paul G Newton: 51:41
the, the episode when you were. Working as an assistant. Oh, oh, you, this is the perfect time to share that episode. It's really interesting when I
Rocky: 51:54
was a CORs
Paul G Newton: 51:54
assistant. Yeah. I mean, you gotta back up and tell us the whole
Rocky: 51:58
thing. Oh
Andrea: 51:59
gosh. I was a nursing school. I was where and up in Lansing, Michigan. Yeah. I was more or less trying to hold my own and not live in an apartment, pay And I was a coroner's assistant and I got to experience a lot of interesting
Rocky: 52:24
yeah, but one specific though. Oh
Andrea: 52:26
gosh, this one. Yes. He likes to talk about this one. We, I was going to school close to graduating was on call cuz I wanna Farm. And I'm out there and I'm up there and the guy hands me, these waiters So I put them on and I'm like, what am I supposed to do? And he goes, you need to go, excuse me, go out there in the And I'm like parts. He goes parts. So I'm in di knee, deep and mud pulling up teeth in parts of skull. And just all this mainly teeth turns out there was a gentleman in
Rocky: 53:15
around land was, was there Robert Pickton, I don't really
Andrea: 53:18
remember the name. To be honest, it's been so long and he would
Rocky: 53:21
2018. Yeah, Robert
Andrea: 53:24
Pickton basically decided that, oh yeah, I, uh, like these hookers And he dumped him in his pig farm and his pigs ate them.
Rocky: 53:36
Oh, pigs are, I think they're right up there with alligator
Paul G Newton: 53:47
Well, the crabs in the, uh, South Carolina bogs, you They will just go up there and, and they just devour it.
Rocky: 54:01
Yeah. I, I salt water marshes. I could, oh yeah, I could do on the movies. You know, they, they just like, they, they, they take a, take a flat boat Miami, you know, speaking of Dexter and, you know, I was talking about some of Uh, there are, uh, several horror conventions where I then, and, and I And I say fun, not in the sense that I don't speak to meet people uncomfortable, Mm-hmm and, you know, I had a lady who was looking at my table I said, yes, ma'am. She goes, she thinks that's a little sick. And I'm looking at her like you're wearing a Dexter shirt. And you're wearing a D you're at a hierarchy convention wearing a Right, right. You know, but that
Andrea: 55:06
has experience. I had, I couldn't really, even of course, I'm Jewish. We don't really eat pork, but we're not supposed to, but I couldn't even look at grocery store for some years afterwards, because I would remember pulling And I was just like,
Rocky: 55:28
Ugh. Historically the crab is a no, no, as well, if I'm not mistaken. So what, yes. You're correct. Oh, crabs. Yeah. Yes. You were correct. So all the scavenges and you know, um, I'm a newletter and, and, and And it's not that I have any kind of like personal or, or spiritual objection. I find it salty in yucky, so I don't eat it. Right. But, you know, I obviously, you know, I'll take a loss every day of the week. , you know, but it's, it's, it's true. There are some crazy, crazy people out there. There are families who have people that, that they're not gonna see again. And they're wondering about in no way, would I personally ever be I don't do any of that. It's weird to, to say, and, and it may be difficult, but now that you Basically it started them saving my ass. in the schoolyard, you know, from the bullies. Yeah. And yeah. And, and so, you know, and for some reason I was like, I don't Why won't they come in here? Well, I'm glad they won't, but why I don't get it. And then I, I, I realized that every stone was a story. And then I started with, with encouragement from, from my And then I started, you know, finding ways to, to work with pres, And when I was able to OB human bones via, it was really the internet As for me, it is a. And folks will say, oh, well, you know, what if, what if One guy walked by my table. He goes, you want Polter guys? Cause that's how you get Polter guys.
Andrea: 57:28
So who buys your stuff? I mean, is it just like a mixture of like somebody in New York walking down? I don't know. A very fancy street. Just somebody. I mean, who
Rocky: 57:38
who's? I have a pretty, pretty good gamut. The bulk. Of of my clientele are people with, uh, medical or academic interest I've been medical school, their humanities, uh, pop their annual, uh, photographs of It's called the Aion. Huh. And the featured a piece of my jewelry, and this is at a, at a So, you know, me, medical and academic, I've been steadiest and, I do show at, um, horror conventions. I have a table, first of all, horror conventions are fun. They're a good time. There's some terrific people there and, and they all, and I've, And, and there are a lot of people who are interested in it for the shock factor. And that's where you're gonna get your shock factor thing. I've done some, uh, art shows and crap shows and I sell online. So sometimes people just come looking for me, but believe it or
Andrea: 58:47
medical. So what's the weirdest thing you've ever personally made for someone.
Rocky: 58:52
You know, I, I don't wanna say I don't take requests. I don't work with a lot of different bones. So I mainly work with cervical and thoracic vertebra. And also I, I work with, um, mostly carpals metacarpals and, It's basically what I'm able to get, you know, within my budget and how But one day I bought a scapula really. Right. And, and, and in the same fashion that I've obtained, all my other No, cause it's big into a, yeah, it's too big. And I made it into a terrarium. and I made an anterium like an eco terrarium with, with a human scapula. And I even labeled it with a nice plaque and its own new glass and
Andrea: 59:52
So like nobody request, like I want a big femur to
Rocky: 59:57
water, you know, get a femur. I was like, yeah. But I, I, you know, and I tell, I tell them the same thing I told you, you Yeah. Well,
Paul G Newton: 1:00:08
that's true. I, I'm not,
Rocky: 1:00:09
you know, where , I'm not going, but okay.
Andrea: 1:00:13
I mean, I just wondered if anybody's like, I want a
Rocky: 1:00:18
other. Or if, if someone wanted me to paint a human skull, I would, human skulls Like how much. I wanna say the absolute cheapest skull I ever saw. And whenever I see one below a thousand, that's when I start But if you were to look up at some of those, yeah, I don't, I won't Look, I don't want anything to do with that, but when you look on some of the, gonna see human skulls are anywhere from, I think the lowest prices, it Wow, you got one. You just don't want somebody just really nilly painting it. There are collectors items. Um, again, these usually are, are, are antique and the Tibetan, Really they and they make, they're a religious cur. That's also something I'm very sensitive to in the sense that, um, one of the respect for the dead, hugely, hugely respectful of the native American, I don't want any that I'm going to, to, um, be part of a problem Yeah. That's a
Paul G Newton: 1:01:42
big deal and it it's, it doesn't happen so much anymore, But the native Americans, they just got their, their burial grounds and
Rocky: 1:01:58
And, and that's, that's every kind of wrong. Yeah, it is. Cause it's, it's, it's, it's not. Okay. And I also, I, I mean, me personally, maybe it's because I don't have a fairly recently, but, um, I, I see a lot of appropriations that I don't What do you mean? And, and I, in the sense that, you know, a dream catcher is a Wow. Okay. Okay. I think that, that, that would be no different than, you know, your plastic. Jesus, I guess so, or, or. Whatever the, whatever any equivalent is. I think that, that I like, for example, I was talking about Tibet and skull. Those are a religious item that isn't something, even if I had all the money I know people who own them. I'm not judging them, but I'm gonna tell you for me, it's not, It's a respect thing. That's a religious item. I am not a member of said religion. I think it's respectful to, to not, uh, indulge on my, my end, but I agree. You heard of there, you know, fair game.
Andrea: 1:03:18
So what do you do if, say, I'm sure you have friends Who do you report to for someone that you feel like is being unethical Cuz you said skulls, if you cast some, you know, below what a thousand you said yeah. That you get a little upset. What if you. What do you do? Do you report these people? Is this someone you report it to? I mean, what do you, how
Rocky: 1:03:45
do you, you can report, you can report suspicion. There, there is no like bone buyer and seller governing body. a lot of, you will notice now. I don't know if you're in the true crime and all that good stuff. You realize just how active internet sling is. Oh, yes. Whenever one sees those types of things. It's typically online and in a group and you ought to see the feeding frenzy. When that happens, they will, they will take screenshots. They send them to the authorities. They find out where that person's posting from. And then somebody's brother, who does it finds out their IP address. And this is all before I've even seen the post, cuz I usually tend to come late it's, it's they're first of all, those who truly love, love the, the, the art and Secondly, if you are walking down the street and, or on a trail, and you've seen Oh yeah. Cause somebody looked at me and goes, how do I know that animal bones? I'm like, okay, well you have a ferret face. I guess that makes, you know, The Frank Burns eats worm's face, but documentation on everything I have, cuz I don't want people to think that So, but they, if you find bones, you need to call your local authority. Yeah. Full. You have to report that. Exactly. If you open up, you know, if you open up. You know, people, I guess, excavating within the house, you open up a You don't say, oh, Hey, let give Rocky a call. Cause she might do not call me immediately without any hesitation. Please call your local authorities. Cause someone
Paul G Newton: 1:05:44
said someone and that's not, no, they weren't. They weren't put there for, you know, I've I, I'm tired of looking at these bones. They've been around the family. I saw 'em on the internet. I'm just gonna put 'em in the wall. No, that's not where people store those things. So if somebody falls outta your wall,
Rocky: 1:05:59
different doctors and dentists and, and, and other medical personnel who, specimens that do usually they, I think typically they will their collections Cause I think, you know, teaching teaching items, but what, what Either needed or they're not gonna pass the quality muster or whatever, cuz going to places like, you know, some of these clearing houses also, there's also Hmm. For people to train cadaver dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay. Yeah. They're training tools. If, if anything, and besides the fact that you haven't, you know, Yeah. is that, you know what happens and, and what we do with the shell It can be art. Yes. It can be. It can be the reason policeman goes home to his family because his body was used So the next guy gets to go home to his wife and kids. It can be a crash test dummy. And again, I, I loved Mary Roach's book stiff and, and that will go But the, um, you know, it could be the reason. There's a lot of things. And I understand that some people may not be art if that's not what you wanna be. Then I think there are provisions when you sign off on the dotted line of So you
Andrea: 1:07:45
mentioned something about, excuse me, documentation for your parts. Like, what documentation do you need?
Rocky: 1:07:53
Me personally, I keep all my receipts where I got it. When I got it, somebody says, you know, how do you know? That's not Jimmy Hoffa's toe because I bought that's Jimmy Hoffa's toe. Here's who you go to and talk about it. Yeah.
Andrea: 1:08:07
So like, from this place that you got, like on Amazon, you And then. So on and so forth. So it's, how long do you keep these records
Rocky: 1:08:17
for? I would say forever.
Andrea: 1:08:19
I keep my, I would say too, but I mean, you know, like medical long.
Rocky: 1:08:25
Go ahead. You gotta treat it like the Providence of an art piece. Obviously my pieces do become art, but, and the regular sense, there's I have a feeling it's a lot, um, you know, somebody's gonna sell They're gonna wanna see every owner. They're gonna wanna see every trade. Yeah. They're gonna wanna make sure someone that's not copied all of those things. So it's not unlike the Providence. My corner of it is just, I have the next step. So if someone says, I need to know where this came from, And when I got it and no doubt for my order number, they probably have. Their records and you can chase it back that Providence is unfettered and clear. Cut.
Andrea: 1:09:16
Okay. So there's like very little chance of you actually getting hold of
Rocky: 1:09:25
Not, not through my methods through yeah. Sort of
Paul G Newton: 1:09:27
reputable dealer, usually
Rocky: 1:09:29
not.
Andrea: 1:09:29
Yeah. So is there like things out there in the community that, you know, are Stay away from them?
Rocky: 1:09:36
Um, I wouldn't say that. I know for sure. They aren't reputable when I see things that are priced very One of two things comes to mind either was on pain in, in a, in a bad, in a bad sort. And, and I don't want anything to do with that. Yeah. Or it's a scam they're trying to, it's a scam usually. Yeah. So
Andrea: 1:09:59
I'm just, I'm speaking in general observation here, Is there like a Kelly blue book for human body parts?
Rocky: 1:10:09
Well, it, it, the internet, really, if you were there, there's more than one. There's more than one game in town. Okay. There's more than one set. And, and I like, you know, I think that if you go on, you can see The going rate is a big thing. Okay. And, uh, so when you, when you get, cause when you're interested and we're, we're you know, and, and our entire articulated arms, when you get into some of these, when there are groups on all social media platforms for people to buy, sell trade, I certainly don't always know who is, or isn't. , you know, I don't know these people I buy from who I know, but you know, I, Yeah. To, to deal with, with someone who is a, a, you know, reputable dealer. If it's someone I know personally that says, you know, my uncle was a dentist and And , you know, I dunno what you, you ready for this? This is gonna make you laugh. I think teeth are gross. Really? No, I don't think teeth. I think they're yucky. Good people. You make teeth. No. Bring anyone teeth. Why it grows. um, you know, there are places that you can't sell bones, you cannot I can't sell it on Etsy and I do have an Etsy shop. That's just really a placeholder.
Paul G Newton: 1:12:06
They don't let you sell that on Etsy. Do they?
Rocky: 1:12:09
Not at all. Okay. Okay. Well, if you
Paul G Newton: 1:12:12
on Etsy, it's not real.
Rocky: 1:12:15
It's either not real or, or Etsy hasn't caught 'em yet. Yeah.
Andrea: 1:12:20
okay.
Rocky: 1:12:20
Okay. Okay. But, you know, there's, there's a lot of, like I said, there's a lot know, it's easy to do a search and you will see that there are items that And then you'll see some items, like some of those Tibetan skulls, you know, they They're absolutely beautiful. But for me, that's not something I feel comfortable
Paul G Newton: 1:12:44
by. Yeah. It's, that's the religion stuff. That's not
Rocky: 1:12:47
right. Mm. I, you know, for somebody who's pretty much a, he even, I'm very respectful and I'm very respectful of the dead, which all seems diametrically opposed Well, it's, it's it, it's true. You know?
Andrea: 1:13:09
Well, I really appreciate you answering my questions because I've
Rocky: 1:13:21
I don't know. She should go to jail. I agree.
Paul G Newton: 1:13:24
Don't know why she's not in jail. I don't know why we haven't heard about any kind of, any kind of, That, that woman first off she stole the guy sold, it, bought it, paid her Buckets of body parts. Oh,
Rocky: 1:13:43
the buckets of body parts. Yeah. That's a, you know what, there are so many red flags before you even get Yeah. It, yeah. That's that's problem.
Paul G Newton: 1:13:53
If you look him up, you'll you'll be like, oh, interesting. And you know, it's, Andrew gets onto me. He says just cuz he likes piercings and body art doesn't mean he is a bad dude. And I'm like, well I understand. But it kinda makes sense that he would just buy stuff off the internet. Okay. But yeah, no, he's he's in trouble, but she far as I can tell, she's
Rocky: 1:14:22
You none services. So absolutely none of that is okay's desecration and it is, uh, I believe but it's, it's, it's like desecration, but before they're actually inferred it's I wanna say have abusive a court.
Andrea: 1:14:44
Oh, something about inappropriateness with the corpse. I can't remember
Rocky: 1:14:47
the, yeah. There's, there's, there's, there's a set of laws that, that, that, um, Okay. None of, I agree. Well, I
Andrea: 1:15:03
really appreciate you kind of setting the record straight kind Yeah. We had no idea. We had no idea I've been ever since it I've been very curious Um, just understanding the art and respectfulness and the. just how it works, how it happens, how it's an option for someone who I mean, it's an option. I mean just how all the whole thing works, how there are people out there
Rocky: 1:15:39
correctly. I think bones are beautiful. You know, why, why? Because there's a lot of arguments and hurt and pain about everything People argue about. Who's got more muscle, less muscle people argue about what color the skins are. People argue about how much fat is on you and people make other We are bones. That's where we're the great equalizer. It's a equalitarian and I love it. All
Andrea: 1:16:10
right. Well said. So I appreciate it. Thank you so much for answering my questions. I really appreciate
Rocky: 1:16:15
it. It was my pleasure to meet you both. I, I appreciate anybody's interested in seeing the jewelry
Paul G Newton: 1:16:28
We appreciate it. And, uh, absolutely visit her website, uh, and, and definitely pass along That's delves into some, you know, we're very pinpoint here So, well, I'm definitely gonna
Rocky: 1:16:50
listen
Andrea: 1:16:50
to podcast. I'm curious. Pardon? I'm gonna listen to podcast. I'm curious.
Rocky: 1:16:56
Well, I talked to a cannibal on one episode. Oh, oh my gosh. Oh wow. Well I'm
Andrea: 1:16:59
gonna listen. I'm curious. I'm just
Rocky: 1:17:01
how you can't be a can
Paul G Newton: 1:17:03
wait, hold it. You cannibal.
Rocky: 1:17:06
Yes. Hey in jail. No, not anymore. Not anymore. Anymore and he is he's from Paris, France. His, his name is Nicolo. If you look up his he's currently, um, selling his art and he is known as the How
Paul G Newton: 1:17:30
could he get away with eating people?
Rocky: 1:17:34
Is that like a Netflix guy? He goes into, he tells his story with great flourish. Ah, but, but the crux of it is, is how long you get for murder, how Apparently at, at one point in time, the, uh, the, the, the sentences for murder He has roof. Yeah. It's, it's a different legal system entirely. He goes into, into, into very specific detail because obviously Well,
Paul G Newton: 1:18:09
be worried about getting mad cow disease or something like.
Rocky: 1:18:14
Well, you know, I, I, I would imagine that, that it's, it's, it's
Paul G Newton: 1:18:24
chicken, everything's always chicken.
Rocky: 1:18:26
It's not to the episode. To find out, but I will tell you this it's a damn good thing. We don't taste like Oreos, cuz I'd be in prison with them. well, I
Andrea: 1:18:38
like learning and have questions and feeling open about asking whatever. So I'm definitely gonna listen. I'm gonna, I wanna, I wanna know what do we taste like
Rocky: 1:18:46
and why? I don't want
Paul G Newton: 1:18:47
to know that. Well, I, I didn't wanna know what we taste like and why I'm just, I
Rocky: 1:18:53
Well, that's a
Andrea: 1:18:54
good thing. Mm-hmm and I'm just curious, I'm just curious. Nothing wrong with being curious.
Rocky: 1:18:59
Yeah.
Paul G Newton: 1:18:59
Maybe. I don't know exactly things. I know you're making me question a whole lot of stuff at this point.
Rocky: 1:19:06
just saying it's the reason things I wanna know. If you ever have things that you wanna know some more from me, I appreciate it so much. Thank you very
Paul G Newton: 1:19:18
much. And I appreciate it too. All right. I guess that's today's episode
Rocky: 1:19:26
of things I wanna know. All right. Bye.